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#1 Oct 4/2009 12:26 pm

Tonik Collective
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Email delivery failure

Hi

I work for a large corporate and am having problems with freshbooks sending emails on my behalf.

Is there a chance that the email servers won't accept an email with the same domain name but sent from another server.  For example, if freshbooks sends an email from 'administrator@mycorporate.com' to another email 'internalclient@mycorporate.com', for some reason this don't work with mycorporate where i work and i get an email delivery error sent to 'administrator@mycorporate.com'

any idea why this happens?

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#2 Oct 5/2009 10:43 am

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Re: Email delivery failure

Hey Jann,

Hmm... I have no heard of this problem before. Do you host your own email servers? This might actually be happening because your email/domain server is set not to accept/send emails that are not sent (as your mentioned in your post above) from the original server. You might need to ask your system administrator in your company to have that setting turned off or put freshbooks.com in the email whitelist.

If this doesn't work out, perhaps give us a call toll free at 1-866-303-6061 and well see what we can do.


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#3 Oct 8/2009 9:03 am

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Re: Email delivery failure

Hi Randy

Thank you for the feedback.  I have logged this with our administrator and await feedback.

I see that the email generating server as per the delivery report I received is:
dfwapp01.2ndsiteinc.com

Do you use this server for all the emails generated?

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#4 Oct 8/2009 9:38 am

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Re: Email delivery failure

Hey Jann,

yup 2ndsiteinc is also the parent business name of FreshBooks. You should put "2ndsiteinc.com" and "freshbooks.com" on that list smile

Let me know how it goes,


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#5 Oct 21/2009 6:39 pm

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Re: Email delivery failure

Hi Randy

I've had some feedback from our administrators.  They referred to 'spoofing' and I found an older post on this:
http://community.freshbooks.com/forums/ … hp?id=1429

In short, spoofing causes many of the emails sent by freshbooks (with 'from' email fields as non-freshbooks email addresses) not to be delivered to clients.

Currently we can only set the 'from' email address in Freshbooks. I recommend:
- that we are able to set the 'from' field to say 'noreply@freshbooks.com',
- and then are able to specify a 'reply-to' email field as say myemail@mycompany.com,
- as well as the name/caption of the 'from' field.

From what I understand, is that since the 'from' field is consistent with the server sending the email, spoofing will not be a problem.  The client receives the email with the 'from' email as 'noreply@freshbooks.com' but with a personalised caption.  When the client does however click on 'reply', it uses the email we've specified in the 'reply-to' field.

I'm not sure we are ever going to get around the fact that there will always be some email servers that will block any form of spoofing.

Last edited by Tonik Collective (Oct 21/2009 6:39 pm)

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#6 Oct 22/2009 9:47 am

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Re: Email delivery failure

Hey there Jann,

Not sure whether or not we'll add the option to send from one address and set up a reply-to field for a different address.  However, I found a blog post from last year addressing this issue.  Let me know if this helps:
http://www.freshbooks.com/blog/2008/09/ … ports-spf/

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#7 Nov 4/2009 5:48 am

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Re: Email delivery failure

Hi Fresh Grace

I've looked at this blog entry which essentially suggests that each corporate that we wish to send emails to needs to use the SPF mail authentication protocol.  Corporates who don't will reject the Freshbook email regardless of the SPF records are set up or not.

I therefore suggested:
- email from field: something@freshbooks.com
- reply-to field: staffname@mycorporate.com
- email from caption: 'staffname'

where the above is setup on a per client basis.

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#8 Nov 4/2009 11:26 am

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Re: Email delivery failure

Tonik Collective wrote:

I therefore suggested:

- email from field: something@freshbooks.com
- reply-to field: staffname@mycorporate.com
- email from caption: 'staffname'

Hey there again Tonik Collective,

I hear what you are saying about your suggestion. However, to be perfectly honest, I believe that most of our users would not want the "from" field to come from @freshbooks.com but rather from their own company. I can imagine our users' clients being very confused getting an invoice from a company that they might not have had any contact with before.

We are definitely keeping track of this thread though and are passing it to our system network administrators so perhaps "subscribe to this topic" if we ever release an update in the future.

Thanks again for your feedback and hopefully we can come up with a solution that will please everybody. smile


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